The Long March (a TNO-sequel Comintern quest) (2024)

Good. Speaking as an Indian, these issues exist, probably to an even worse extent, IRL and the solution has always been to make a half-hearted attempt at fixing it, kicking the can down the road and then making a big propaganda push to pretend something genuine was done. It's all going to end painfully at some point. Considering the region I live in has been embroiled in an Ethnic Conflict for about a year and a half now and nothing has been done...well.

I'm hoping TLM!India, having so much more economic and industrial might and potential as well as actual reformers and outside allies, can fix things in a way that they'll never be fixed IRL.

Well it helps that in this time. Like 80% of the world population and resources are Red. Not constrained by Bourgeois and international indifference to South Asian concerns. So I can easily see the Comintern grant a helping hand to Bharat. My only concern would be how much resources are going to be used to help fix these issues.

It sounds like we're going to have to be careful in how we approach these issues. Don't want to be called red imperialists, or a nanny state by the Bharat for wanting to genuinely fix these issues by federal intervention.

I don't know why people are assuming some sort of civil war is going to happen. Bharat is a pretty stable member of the Comintern. The most recent post has put it into light that it really has been a leading member of the alliance, yet has often been relegated to second hitter despite its massive population, economy, and contributions. I myself have often felt like we're playing the UAR, and friends, which is on me, and likely others too.

I believe that a communist Bharat is much better equipped to handle these pressing issues than India was in real life. It doesn't have to compromise with entrenched centrist, liberal, or conservative party wings nor does it have to compete with hostile opposition parties. That said, just because the BCP are communists doesn't mean they don't have biases or personal interests. It's clear that we need to re-engage with cadres on the ground to mobilize people to shake the rust off the party before it ossifies.

The focus on economic prosperity, lingering reformism, and institutional biases within the BCP are issues inherited from the INC and CPI, that much is true. We've yet to fully acheive women's liberation, scheduled tribe liberation, caste liberation, and other issues. I assume affirmative action policies are in place, but it's likely they were pushed to the wayside in favour of economic planning. The update says as much, the BCP fell into the trap of believing a rising tide lifts all boats, without noticing some struggled to tread water.

We've achieved the political and economic revolution, but now the cultural revolution must follow. That means the old traditions, reactionary social structures, and backwards media must be drowned out and broken up with a vibrant new youth, womens, minority, and communist driven culture. For the non-leftists in the thread, no, that does not mean doing a Mao. It means we need to start de-platforming bigots and sexists, hit hate crimes, ramp up affirmative action, ramp up development in underdeveloped communities, and fund a sh*t ton of stories previously ignored or suppressed.

I am hoping for a general strike or some form of protest movement springing up.

Bharat *needs* a crisis turn post for its own good > : V

CatOnTheWeb said:

I imagine the newly made voting commission will help Bharat out. A lot of areas have entrenched authorities that are just holding onto power while making mouth noises - and an effort to get the people's voice heard is going to force them out of that stability. Granted, I'm not sure electoralism would have any effect on rampant sexism, castism, and misogyny, but that's what the cultural revolution is for.

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Also don't forgot other vices too like: marginalization and bigotry towards Black African diaspora groups like the Siddhi, huge tribalism, corruption, and strong religious differences. Which are probably less extreme in this timeline, but are still a problem. Like you said it's why you need cultural revolution. Which should be attempted as long as it's done right like Fission said.

I suspect what Bharat and possibly many comintern nations are looking at is actually a long period of cultural and social stagnation. Having attained all they are interested in, the party boomers will simply sit and enjoy their power, no matter the unrest it is causing for everyone else. The UAR's (yet to be proven) reformation need not be evidence that these things will just work out.

That's what you get when the party has too much authority and self-interest. Generations may have to pass before these issues are seriously addressed, and the unrest of the youth becomes significant enough to change policy.

Remember, we selected directly against cultural and social development when we picked the troika. Islam and Gaddafi are both (relative to the Comintern) conservatives, and Bukharina's focus is internationalism, not social revolution. Reap what ye sow.

MSH said:

I suspect what Bharat and possibly many comintern nations are looking at is actually a long period of cultural and social stagnation. Having attained all they are interested in, the party boomers will simply sit and enjoy their power, no matter the unrest it is causing for everyone else. The UAR's (yet to be proven) reformation need not be evidence that these things will just work out.

That's what you get when the party has too much authority and self-interest. Generations may have to pass before these issues are seriously addressed, and the unrest of the youth becomes significant enough to change policy.

Remember, we selected directly against cultural and social development when we picked the troika. Islam and Gaddafi are both (relative to the Comintern) conservatives, and Bukharina's focus is internationalism, not social revolution. Reap what ye sow.

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I feel like this is a stretch from the truth. We still have mandates, the MedFed, recently nuked nations, and dozens of other issues we just barely scratched the surface of. Maybe we can see this attitude in like the 2000s, where this might be a problem, but this is only 1989. We still haven't even fully implemented most of these changes we voted for. Frankly I think with the current Troika these issues will be solved.

Also how do these party "boomers" find the time to let their nation stagnate, when they still have to answer to the international? We're far from the point of even having the luxury to slack off.

A little more TLM trivia

1. Attack on Titan will exist in TLM with a largely similar storyline, with the big differences being that a lot of the titans are racial caricatures,

2. Delhi and Tokyo are the world's largest and second largest cities respectively, though the latter has Alexandria, Lagos and Cairo catching up to it.

3. Oceania will have an Araboo, Chineseboo, Vietnamese, Africanboo and other phases throughout the coming years.

4. US and Japan are considering bringing back airships thanks to increasing piracy on the high seas

5. Ukraine, Afghanistan, the Baltics, Hungary and Suomi all have homegrown Eurasianist movements who want to join with with Eurasia.

MSH said:

I suspect what Bharat and possibly many comintern nations are looking at is actually a long period of cultural and social stagnation. Having attained all they are interested in, the party boomers will simply sit and enjoy their power, no matter the unrest it is causing for everyone else. The UAR's (yet to be proven) reformation need not be evidence that these things will just work out.

That's what you get when the party has too much authority and self-interest. Generations may have to pass before these issues are seriously addressed, and the unrest of the youth becomes significant enough to change policy.

Remember, we selected directly against cultural and social development when we picked the troika. Islam and Gaddafi are both (relative to the Comintern) conservatives, and Bukharina's focus is internationalism, not social revolution. Reap what ye sow.

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How did you pull out "Oh yeah the Comintern is about to enter a long period of cultural and social stagnation" out of any of the recent updates? This is the dancing 90s, by definition it is a period of massive social and cultural upheaval. Like how did you come to that conclusion?

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4. US and Japan are considering bringing back airships thanks to increasing piracy on the high seas

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That's such a rad image pirates fighting the sky fascists on the high seas

MSH said:

I still haven't forgotten that statement from the ISOT thread that post-Sejima Japan is seen as oddly similar to OTL DPRK by the UAR.

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Yeah I mentioned that before. I think it's a sign that something bad is going to happen. Also the fact they mentioned that Che had an eyepatch, and that there was a lot of Oceania communist exiles.

StarMaker764 said:

A little more TLM trivia

1. Attack on Titan will exist in TLM with a largely similar storyline, with the big differences being that a lot of the titans are racial caricatures,

Marley and the outside world are communist coded now (with its leading general being named Gamal Stalin) and the Rumbling is presented as 100% the best option and is a complete succcess resulting in the world becoming an ethnohom*ogenous utopia

2. Delhi and Tokyo are the world's largest and second largest cities respectively, though the latter has Alexandria, Lagos and Cairo catching up to it.

3. Oceania will have an Araboo, Chineseboo, Vietnamese, Africanboo and other phases throughout the coming years.

4. US and Japan are considering bringing back airships thanks to increasing piracy on the high seas

5. Ukraine, Afghanistan, the Baltics, Hungary and Suomi all have homegrown Eurasianist movements who want to join with with Eurasia.

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Afghanistan has a homegrown movement that wants to join Eurasia? Afghanistan and Hungary never was even a part of Eurasia.

StarMaker764 said:

A little more TLM trivia

4. US and Japan are considering bringing back airships thanks to increasing piracy on the high seas

5. Ukraine, Afghanistan, the Baltics, Hungary and Suomi all have homegrown Eurasianist movements who want to join with with Eurasia.

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Pirate airships when? 👀
Big Eurasia is best, but what shall happen to the parts of Pakistan under Afghan control? I was honestly hoping for mega India absorbing Afghanistan

Endorfinator said:

Pirate airships when? 👀
Big Eurasia is best, but what shall happen to the parts of Pakistan under Afghan control? I was honestly hoping for mega India absorbing Afghanistan

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Well they didn't, remember Afghanistan got the Pashtun tribal areas and a part of Baluchistan.

We voted in Afghans favor, and likely saved the country from being eaten by Iran.

Endorfinator said:

How did you pull out "Oh yeah the Comintern is about to enter a long period of cultural and social stagnation" out of any of the recent updates? This is the dancing 90s, by definition it is a period of massive social and cultural upheaval. Like how did you come to that conclusion?

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The roaring 20s weren't a period of much actual progress either. Social upheaval precedes progress, it does not travel alongside it.

As I said, the major powers of the Comintern are largely conservative, in relative terms. We've done nothing but encourage that. If you wanted a socially revolutionary Comintern, it would have taken a different troika. This progress may happen eventually, but it won't be in the endless war footing Comintern that the thread is determined to hang onto even amidst a hail of WMDs.

The Comintern's social advancements in the 90s will likely have a far more liberal-progressive character than a revolutionary one. We may even end up having a culture war period, given that the party boomers are so influential in at least Bharat and the PUC. They're not going to just give up power.

Frankly, I don't see how anyone can look at an update as utterly ominous as this most recent one and think it is a positive sign, except in the sense that it is work that needs to be done. This promises suppression of the next generation.

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As I said, the major powers of the Comintern are largely conservative, in relative terms.

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i mean, i guess you're right in that we are conservative meaning that we are still abiding by the very radical policies of the Comintern's founding and Sankara's chairmanship

StarMaker764 said:

[X] Plan Ultrarad Radicals
-[X] Ultra-radical feminist plan (has one extra vote due to Sankara's support)
-[X] Progressive LGBT laws (full legal recognition and state support)
-[X] Ultraradical agenda both within and abroad
-[X] Cool Dude Agenda: caring for the environment does not impede the revolution, instead it is necessary for it to succeed. The environment is an integral part of of it, now freed from the predations of capitalism. It must be healed. Implement environmental standards across the board, establish a Comintern agency to handle regulations and clean ups of industrial disasters, begin repairing the damage done to member states by removing contaminated soil, rewild areas (like West Africa) by planting vegetation and reintroducing native wildlife to restore the environment. Create a list of endangered species and made them protected. Condemn whaling diplomatically and ban it in Comintern naval borders. Set limits on fishing quotas to prevent overfishing. Establish a school and program to train ecologists. Begin switching over from coal to oil and natural gas in the short term for power production, while building hydroelectric dams where possible, and nuclear reactors long term (with an education program to train more nuclear scientists).
-[X] Open borders
-[X] Board of spiritual affairs
-[X] Comintern sharing proposal

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given this is what we choose to do back in the day, I feel you're overstating the issue. Sankara was a socially radical candidate, and the policies we choose were also very radical. policies that we still abide by today, and are endeavoring (through the solving of these various crises) to ensure the ideals we have enshrined are equally applied to all our peoples. and the troika that exists now will not be here permanently, we will have more socially progressive candidates next round.

lets not go full doom and gloom before things hit the fan please.

sure issue`s will show up. lets not make them worst in our mind then they might be in reality (or fantasy in this case)

Redhead222 said:

lets not go full doom and gloom before things hit the fan please.

sure issue`s will show up. lets not make them worst in our mind then they might be in reality (or fantasy in this case)

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Yeah I agree with this sentiment. We still have the immeasurable powers of the Comintern, and our enemies in comparison are very much the underdog (80% of the world population vs 20%). If we need to change tactics to face our foes, let's debate civilly and vote for a different approach. If we need to solve any problems either vote or come up with a new plan.

Let's not give the capitalists any ideas that we are somehow indecisive or unsure of our goals. We know what we want (world revolution and reshaping the world to be free of capitalism), we know how to get it (guerrilla support and let capital destroy itself), and we know we can always change the Troika if there needs to be a different approach (in the next election).

If you're feeling like a doomer just remember the map yeastmobile helpfully made.

Otto Neumann: unofficial but de-facto leader of the CAR FF, by dent of his personal charisma and relatively moderate views on most of the issues dividing the group. He is also CAR's first Fuhrer-President

Fritz Leichenberg: the architect of the CAR slave system and the original minister of the cattle management department, before beinb re-assigned as minister of Education at his own request believing his skills could be better put to use there.

Dieter Albrecht: Ministry of Propaganda head, very charismatic in large crowds and a skilled orator but is obnoxious and rude to know in person to the point most of his colleagues hate dealing with him at all; doesn't help that he sleeps with their wives.

Max Werner: the head of the Cattle Management ministry after Fritz, unlike his peers he is relatively apolitical and doesn't take part in political struggles being chiefly concerned with his life's work: the human domestication project.

Felix Hermann: the "genius" behind CAR's Aryan ecology projects and the head of the ministry of ecological control and improvement.

Karl Ludwig: the closest the FF have to a "sane reformer", head of the ministery of population and immigration and one of the few who realise that CAR's demographics and position aren't sustainable long term and wants to remedy that by loosening immigration laws, improving ties with CDN europe and even abolishing the slave system (by killing all the slaves obviously), his first two ideas have gaine traction since 1988.

Kurt Wolf: Minister of agriculture, weirdest of all the founding fathers with a bizarre belief in Lamarckian psychological evolution. Wants to abolish healthcare.

Albert Kraus: Supreme commander of the Aryan armed forces, his beliefs can be summed up as an aryanised version of Gobbels' Total war doctrine.

Armin Brandt: Minister of Industry, unlike the agrarian vision of most of his peers he is a firm believer in the "Organism Country" theory and believes hyper-urbanisation is the only viable path for CAR.

Anna Weiss: the closest thing CAR has to a "founding mother" though she holds no formal position in government (CAR having banned women from public office), she holds a great deal of soft thanks to being well connected within CAR society and is leader of many women organisations that ensure Aryan Thought is instilled in every home and family.